Dissident Catholic group ordains female priests

Dissident Catholic group ordains female priests

By Jim Coggins

FIVE WOMEN were ordained as priests and deacons in Toronto last Sunday by the Roman Catholic Women Priests movement (RCWP).

Marie Bouclin of Sudbury became Canada's second RCWP priest; the first was Michele Birch-Conery of Parksville, B.C. Two Americans were also declared priests. Two women and one man were ordained as deacons, including Monica Kilburn-Smith of Calgary and James Lauder of Victoria. Lauder is a married man, and so could not be ordained in the Roman Catholic Church.

The movement began in 2002 when the 'Danube seven' were ordained in Europe by a Roman Catholic bishop from Argentina. The next year, two of those women were made bishops -- supposedly by Roman Catholic bishops, as yet unnamed.

Since then, the movement has ordained more than a dozen priests and over a dozen deacons, and has more than 150 others preparing for ordination.

Excommunicated

The Danube seven were excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church, and the church does not recognize the movement.

Representatives of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Toronto, in which the ordinations took place, told CC.com they had had no contact with the movement. Father Damian MacPherson, director of ecumenical and interfaith affairs for the Archdiocese, said: "Whatever happened had no relationship to the Roman Catholic Church whatsoever, whatever those individuals may say."

An editorial in the National Post also ridiculed the movement, labeling it as "not Catholic." The editorial asked why the participants didn't just join some other Christian group.

Francois Brassard, media coordinator for RCWP, told CC.com the women involved were "cradle Catholics" who have Roman Catholic roots and who "feel strongly about the need to reform the Roman Catholic church on certain issues." In particular, those in the movement oppose canon law 1024, which says only males can be ordained. They see this law as unjust and discriminatory.

Brassard said the movement also advocates a less hierarchical and clericalist way of doing ministry, which is "more in keeping with the way Jesus practiced ministry," and which focuses on empowering people on the margins.

RCWP stresses that its ordinations are in "apostolic succession," since they began with ordination by a Roman Catholic bishop. MacPherson countered that this is "not reasonable" -- since Roman Catholic doctrine forbids the ordination of women, the ordinations are automatically invalid, he said.

Brassard said ordinations in apostolic succession are important as a transitional stage to gain credibility. He cited RCWP bishop Patricia Fresen -- who said that, without the ordinations, "no one would take us seriously. We would be seen as just another sect."

Fresen went on to say that the ordinations are a way to demonstrate the equality of women and break down sexism in the church, but that "One day in the future . . . there may well be a return to the practice in the very early church, when there was no ordination of priests [and] people in the community took turns in leading."

Margins

Bouclin, author of Seeking Wholeness: Women Dealing with Abuse of Power in the Catholic Church, described herself as an "orthodox Catholic" who decided to be ordained so she could "reach out sacramentally to women who have been badly hurt by male clergy. There is a need to give a woman's face to the healing of Christ."

Having worked with women who had been sexually abused by priests, she said she "realized that until women are ordained, stories of abuse will never be taken seriously, and reaching out for healing" will not happen.

Perhaps typical of the people Bouclin is interested in helping is Irene Deschenes, who first brought accusations against Father Charles Sylvestre -- who was later convicted of 47 counts of child sexual abuse. Deschenes attended Bouclin's ordination -- which was remarkable, she said, because just entering a church triggers such trauma that she usually has to leave immediately.

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Marie Bouclin is seen here during her recent ordination ceremony. Photo courtesy of Vision TV

Deschenes said she now considers herself "an atheist." Although she says her "lost faith, community, and spirituality are something I search for every day," she "wouldn't go to a church." She said she would be more likely to go to a woman priest such as Bouclin, because "women are wired to give sympathy" -- and male priests who aren't abusers don't understand because "they have no sexual experience."

Neil MacCarthy, a media relations representative for the Archdiocese of Toronto, said the church "doesn't have the authority to change" the rules Jesus established, noting that Jesus deliberately chose to have only male apostles. However, he mentioned the many women who have played important roles in the church, from Mother Teresa to the nun who taught him religion classes in school.

MacCarthy said he could understand how victims of abuse "would have a hard time coming back to church" -- but that the church would welcome them with open arms if they did return. MacPerson agreed, stating there are a growing number of trained and professional spiritual female advisors within the church whom victims such as Deschenes could go to. Both men cited statements by recent popes, affirming the role of women.

Theology

The Post editorial suggested the RCWP movement's ideology is not so much Roman Catholic as feminist and "Unitarian."

Bouclin insisted "Jesus Christ is at the centre of my faith," and said the small groups she ministers to -- often called "circles" -- are focused on Bible reading and prayer.

However, Brassard said RCWP is "more interested in pastoral care than theology" -- and, while it has no doctrinal statement, it accepts the doctrines of the Roman Catholic church.

On the other hand, Brassard described RCWP as an "inclusive" movement. He said the movement generally takes a different position than the Roman Catholic church on a series of issues related to sexual morality, but maintained that those teachings of the Church are "not dogmas," and contended that the vast majority of Roman Catholics in North America also disagree with the church hierarchy on those issues.

Brassard said the inclusive nature of the movement means RCWP "does not inquire" about the sexual practices or sexual orientation of candidates for the priesthood.

When asked about the fact that a Muslim woman participated in the ordination of the six candidates in Scarborough, Brassard said that the inclusive approach of RCWP means that it is open to other religions. "None of us have total truth . . . Other religions have truth that can be enlightening and helpful in our common search for God, Spirit, or Higher Power."

The May 27 ordination received considerable media attention. It was filmed by Vision TV's 360 Vision program for an episode, focusing on the journeys of Bouclin and Deschenes, that will be rebroadcast June 4. This will be the last episode for the award-winning program, which has been cancelled by Vision TV's parent company S-Vox after running for more than four years.

May 31/2007

Comments

women can never be priests in Roman Catholic Church,
#1 Fidelis - 05/31/2007 - 06:30

Way to go!

Many blessings upon your ministries!

Christianity needs priests who will follow Jesus' program: do not be intimidated by anonymous, male chauvenist attacks from the National Post because such nonsense counts for nothing.

Love God with all your hearts and your neighbour as yourself.

Rt. Rev. Malachy Egan
National pastor
Abba ministries of Canada
#2 Malachy Egan - 05/31/2007 - 13:44

Clearly these individuals do not have the best interests of the Roman Catholic church in their hearts. They won't abide by the rules so they can't play the game. Like the National Post said in ridiculing these people. They are "not Catholic"

I wish them all the best. It just won't be in the Catholic Church. There are other huge differences between these people and Catholicism. These breakaway groups are notorious for advocating in favor of married priests, same sex marriage and abortion on demand. The antithesis of Jesus' teachings.

If they are looking for a place to preach there are numerous denominations that would welcome them with open arms.
#3 Servant - 05/31/2007 - 15:08

'Servant' a.k.a. 'anonymous'

Here's my reply to the National Post. On 5/31/07 4:37 PM, "Rt. Rev. Malachy Egan" wrote:

> Dear Sir:
>
> Re: That's not Catholic, National Post, Tuesday, May 29, 2007
>
> "What a disgusting piece of journalism!
>
> Written one might suppose by some rabid, fundamentalist, patriach of
> the Roman Catholic Church, or perhaps just someone who hates women in
> general or his mother in particular?
>
> The face of Christianity is changing: the days of lies, deceit and
> male supremacy are over as is the money-centric attitude of the
> so-called mainline churches.
>
> We need priests in Christianity who will work as Jesus did, and follow
> the program that Jesus laid down if Christianity is to survive;
> regardless of their sex.
>
> I do not know who wrote this garbage - anonymous is always suspect -
> but he [and it was surely a 'he'] needs to offer an apology and
> thereafter keep his mouth shut unless his career goal is to continue
> to look like the quintessential, male chauvenist twit."

Are you the same person that wrote the NP article perhaps?
>
> Rt. Rev. Malachy Egan
> National Pastor
> Abba Ministries of Canada
#4 Malachy Egan - 05/31/2007 - 15:29

P.S.

Servant.

I challenge you to show us where in Jesus teachings you find His condemnation for: Indivduals, who don't play the game."
"These people..."
"These breakaway groups..."
It is not a question of who might welcome them, rather who [like you] would cast the first stone.
Please read, and try to understand, your Bible.
Rt. Rev. Malachy Egan
National Pastor
Abba Ministries of Canada


Rt. Rev. Malachy Egan
> National Pastor
> Abba Ministries of Canada
#5 Malachy Egan - 05/31/2007 - 15:38

Thank you for your coverage of the RCWP ordinations in Toronto. Erroneous statements about women's ordination will persist. It is not Catholic doctrine to say that women cannot be ordained priest. Readers can study the rise of priesthood in the Church. I wrote an article on this in The Journal, Summer '06 issue. The link is (www.corpuscanada.org)
I recommend your readers to take a look at it.
Chris Diamond, Cobble Hill, BC
#6 Chris Diamond - 06/01/2007 - 08:03

Dear Jim,

Thank you for this article. You have done something for us that we cannot do for ourselves: spread the message that we want to follow in the footsteps of Jesus who was also at odds (especially in Matthew's gospel) with his own religious authorities. "We must obey God and not men" also comes to mind.
Peace,
Marie Evans Bouclin, RCWP
#7 Marie Evans Bouclin - 06/01/2007 - 08:19

Congratllations to the women who dare to be the trailblazers...not afraid of being ridiculed who love their God and Church above all else. Someday their names will part of a history that saw the Catholic Church make changes and honor women and recognize that these intelligent women/men have a serious vocation.
Bless everyone of them!!!
#8 FGabrielle Lavigen (Rev) - 06/01/2007 - 09:05

Wow - thank you for this article - I admit that I was not aware of this group of dissidents doing the Lord's will in our midst with courage and fortitude. PTL

Fr. Mark Moote, Anglican Priest
#9 Fr. Mark Moote - 06/01/2007 - 09:56

The phrase "Catholic", in my teachings (Anglican), I believe in the Holy Catholic Church. The whole church all rounded "Catholic", believing. Funny someone should say they are not Catholic, I think they meant they are not "Roman"
If one christian or any other person on this earth is willing to love and help heal the hurt of a fellow sister or brother on this earth, is this not what Jesus taught us?? He did not check out anyone's credentials before he excepted them into His heart ane loved them as brothers and sisters!!
#10 follower of Christ - 06/01/2007 - 14:24

"Traditional" and "Splinter" groups have existed since the dawn of organized religion. Living the message brought by Christ is the only way to survive, and sometimes that simply means living the word without organized religion. Remember "I am with you always..."?

Be aware of the majestic beauty and order in our universe. To 'box' and 'limit' God in an attempt to control memberships is blatantly offensive!
#11 Kay Goodnow - 06/01/2007 - 17:04

In all honesty, women priests can not do any worse than male priests and are likely to be more compassionate and in tune with children and family needs. Would the child abuse cover-up in the church have happened if women were part of the power equation? I sincerely doubt it. God loves us all, man, woman and child. Men make rules of exclusion, God includes us all.
#12 N. Mayer - 06/01/2007 - 20:13

I wonder why Jesus didn't choose any women do become his apostle...
#13 sfish - 03/23/2008 - 05:14

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