Seriously ridiculous for youth

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No,the questions we face in heaven may not be doctrinal,
but you'd better believe it,without that becoming the inspiration of a compassionate utreach to the'less fortunate',you could find yourself feeding the hungry and clothing the naked and not 'doing it to the glory of God'. Practicing 'pure religion and undefiled' comes with 'keeping oneself unspotted from the world', and that has roots in living doctrine!
#1 Jacob Friesen - 12/22/2008 - 14:08

It highly disturbs me when I read statements like, "The questions when we get to heaven are not going to be doctrinal...They're going to be: 'When I was hungry, did you feed me? When I was naked, did you clothe me? When I was in prison, did you visit me?' In the words of Mother Teresa, 'We are called to serve Jesus in his most distressing disguises.' Jesus came for the sick, not the healthy. The church that changes the world will be a people who are peculiar, a people who fascinate the world with grace." because it misses something really important. Without solid doctrine, without realizing that one is dead in sins, and it is only the completely undeserved gift of God in Jesus Christ dying in your place received though trusting in his finished work, doing those thing become either a point of pride or a way to earn or deserve something from God. When that is the case the words of Jesus in the sermon on the mount are what will greet a person, "“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’"
Matt 7:21-23 (ESV)

Doctrine is important. It makes the difference in whether a person is living in the way of the gospel, or in the way of either the religious or the irreligious.
#2 James Vellenga - 12/22/2008 - 15:48

I would concur that the questions we are going to be asked are not doctrinal. There seems however to be an artificial seperation between orthodoxy and orthopraxy. We need right living without question, but right living without right doctrine is a dead as faith without works. We must never fail to maintain the tension between the two
#3 Kevin Corbin - 12/22/2008 - 16:26

I agree that Youth Specialties promotes a type of youth ministry that is totally ridiculous. It is also promoting Eastern Mysticism through contemplative prayer, and has participated in a movement that is making mockery of the Cross of Jesus Christ. It is groups like Youth Specialties that we need to be on guard for, not for the Doctrine of the Word of God as read in the Bible. Beware of this organizaton, as they are spreading falsehood to your youth.
#4 simple lady - 12/22/2008 - 23:21

@simple lady:

you are too paranoid. this group is one of the only groups that may be reaching young kids who never grew up with jesus.

#5 Wil - 12/22/2008 - 23:38

Simple Lady:
I would submit to you that the Eastern Mystics took contemplative prayer from us and we are finally reclaiming it. Meditation is a scriptural practice first and foremost and if that's what you're accusing YS of promoting than Kudos to them for bringing the Word of God to our students.
#6 Grant Weber - 12/23/2008 - 08:56

I heard a great audio story about the Church of stop shopping at audiodocumentary.org

It's an interview and then a whole sermon.
#7 Dan - 12/23/2008 - 14:31

James Vellenga makes an excellent point.Simply doing good deeds in your own power and by your direction is meaningless.The New Age crowd and the Buddhists do good deeds.Will that get them to heaven?The Lord said Your good deeds are like filthy rags.You must fully surrender your life to the Lord and have a relationship with Him and take your orders from Him.
#8 Eddy - 12/27/2008 - 14:51

Obviously these speakers are speaking on a point to a cultural phenomenon. They are speaking as prophets.
There is clearly a need for both orthodoxy and orthopraxy. Our Biblical author James writes (ch2), 'without actions your faith is dead'. But for too many, Faith does not include acting on knowledge or an understanding of Scripture, because acting on it is hard work, and self sacrificing.
Even thought we see too many people perform an action or gesture of compassion or love for people without thought to their faith or to be religious, we must agree that the complacence in a culture of self-indulgence like that of North America, and knowledge accumulation as a strategy for faith, doesn't seem to do it.
How can we take the prophetic words of these speakers and apply them in good conscience all the while holding to the truth of our faith. These are tensions we find in scripture and they flow out of two things: Jesus summary of the commandments in Matt 22: Love God, Love people.
If we do neither, we fail at both.
Not to be overtly Reformed, but secretly liberal, nor openly liberal, and secretly Reformed... [Matt 6?] but equally both. ;-) As I believe Jesus asks of us.
Scripturally aware, and openly generous. Just like the Firstborn of our family, and just like our Father.
-D-
PS: Simple Lady ~ don't be too simple. Matt 10:16 I would like to know which movement you think they participate in that mocks Jesus sacrifice, the one they preach and promote the preaching of fervently.
#9 -D- - 01/06/2009 - 07:34

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