Christians debate significance of TheCRY

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Mr. Mackey:

Thank you for the link.
#1 Bene Diction - 08/20/2009 - 20:00

Gets a bit annoying when believers feel the need to analyze the attempt of others to do a prayer gathering - the point is, they're doing something and for most of the participants, they see the impact as spiritual and unseen so who cares if the media takes note. Seems to me there's a Scripture like that somewhere...whatever the motivation, something is done for Christ.
#2 A. Martin - 08/21/2009 - 09:57

I think it is encouraging to see young leaders spear heading such a prayer gathering, this incredible passion and desire to pray for our nation is to be admired and applauded. Not to mention the costs. Thank you for doing this. I know it pleases the Father's Heart. WELL DONE!
#3 K. Jackson - 08/21/2009 - 11:08

It is a fundamentally flawed statement to note that Faytene's links with the likes of Lou Engle and the New Apostolic Revolution are merely relationships of the "past". On August 14th, theCRY's kick off service was held at Glad Tidings church, and visited by Lou Engle himself. In the Facebook event listed on theCRY's facebook page, the truth concerning how linked together in spirit and message Faytene's ministries and theologies are, with those of Mr. Engle, is evidenced in her description of the evening.

This event was advertised as follows:
"Lou Engle is the father of the global prayer and fasting reformation movement and it is a honour to have him with us. We have cleared the slate at our pre-CRY meeting (the night prior to TheCRY Vancouver) for Lou to impart his heart to us and impart His spiritual DNA into Canada. Don't miss it. It will be significant."

Calling someone like Mr. Engle a "father" and, further, desiring to sit under his "ministry" and receive from "his heart," suggests the existence of a more intimate relationship between parties than Faytene is obviously willing to admit to. Further, "clearing the slate" of a meeting in order to allow this one man impart God's heart to a people, and claiming that "it will be significant," suggests that there is certain willingness, desire, enthusiasm, passion for the message of Lou Engle's ministry. If August 15th was going to be a HINGE in history, to give a man like Engle the stage-- or altar, so-to-speak rightly-- and the sole authority to impart God's heart for Canada (from a fear-oriented American perspective, of course) is interesting. Why lie and pretend there is some feeble connection that means nothing at all?

Another thing worth thinking about is her statement that she has no idea what dominionism is. That right there is a huge problem. If she has experienced "hate-blogging" due to her connections with certain things-- dominionism being one of them-- it would be far more admirable for her to check out what those things are and have an educated answer concerning how/why she is/isn't involved or influenced by them. I done extensive research on Dominionism, and have followed the likes of Faytene, Engle, Bickle, Joyner, Bentley... and while they may not always claim "official" links with a particular theology, they consistently reveal their interpretative connections and theological links as they carry on in ministry.

Check out theCRY's advert-- one of things you'll notice first is that they claim that a "New Breed" if believer is rising up across Canada. That language shouts "manifest sons doctrine" and "joel's army"-- both linked to dominionism. Check out who in Faytene's circle of influence believes in Joel's Army and just TELL ME that there is only a casual, friendly, no-real-influence connection between the two.

I wonder what Faytene thinks about the dominionist concept of Joel's Army?

Did Lou Engle's impartation of heart to the people of Vancouver look anything like this?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJObhIsG3ds

I'm tired of people in ministry not taking responsibility for the whole realm of their own influence by recognizing the reality of how they've been influenced. In the social sciences, we have identified something called the dialectical or dialogical thesis of agency. Faytene would sound alot more honest in articles like this, if she took the time to introspectively identify the influences that she has been personally open to dialoguing with... whether "officially" or simply more 'casually' by sitting under their ministry... Her personal agency (and thereby, influence) like anyone's, is hugely affected by who she interacts with, what she reads, the theologies and beliefs conveyed by those she receives from...

Jesus wants his disciples to be good, responsible stewards of themselves. Her negligence in even FINDING out what dominionism is and how she may or may not be contributing to perpetuating its dangerous and flawed message.

THAT is significant.
Significantly disturbing.
#4 Kristian - 08/21/2009 - 13:28

It'a a pretty sad day when we have to have articles in a Christian magazine on debating the "significance of prayer" - a prayer event. Why do motives have to be questioned when someone steps out and organizes a successful event where many people show up? Are the rest of you so called Christians (those of you writing articles for this paper) so envious that you have to judge others motives and interview negative people like Bowler in order to get others to question the motive of the event. Why not just do some honest reporting on what actually happened at the event??? unless no one from your organization actually attended the event, which if this is the case you should not be reporting on it! Who cares what guys like Bowler think or say? I think it is time that the Christian media community stopped playing politics and started reporting news and events honestly and without bias. Honestly report what happened and let us as readers decide for ourselves what we think. We are after all just as educated and as able to make a wise evaluation as you are.
#5 j. r. h. - 09/02/2009 - 13:01


Please listen to the podcast on Dominionism posted in the Truth Seeker Section of http://www.people-express-news.com under the Taboo Talk drop down menu.

And feel free to Delve Into Dominionism by sharing your views both here and on P-E-N.

Thank you,

P-E-N Editor
#6 JSCH - 09/03/2009 - 12:52

I am always so amazed at "Christians" who have to analyze and pick apart those who are being obedient to the Spirit of God as they pray and cry out for the nation! The Body of Christ needs to be following Faytene's Godly example of one who is totally committed to seeing revival in this land. Maybe those who are blind to the spiritual significance of this prayer event do not think anything will happen as a result, but I believe all of heaven took notice as Faytene and those present cried out to the Lord for this nation. Thank God for her faithfulness despite the unfounded criticism of her vision. Church of Jesus Christ in Canada, AWAKE!
#7 K - 09/03/2009 - 21:40

To #7 K - There is no question of Faytene's devotion to crying out for righteousness and revival in this nation.
What might we have to learn by questioning where this is all leading?
#8 J - 09/10/2009 - 06:39

Faytene was quoted as saying: 'With respect to the dominionist allegations, Kryskow said: "I don't know what dominionism is.."

Yet this was posted and sent out by "Faytene/4 MY Canada-Siege/FHM" on September 23, 2006 "MY CANADA FEATURED IN GLOBE AND MAIL on ROSH HASHANAH"

Perhaps she just skimmed it and missed this or forgot about this found in the lengthy article from three years ago:

"In the American religious right, there is a strong strain of dominionism, which asserts that it's the responsibility of Christians to make society ready for the second coming of Christ."


#9 Concerned Christian - 09/11/2009 - 15:50

Several people mention not questioning motives as well as being obedient to the spirit and the like. But we are instructed to test every spirit. Know your bible, know your history/politics (sons of Issachar ) and discern what is true and what is false. Be a critical thinker don't trust every passing spirit. Many may be false trying to pass as true. Engage the conversation.
#10 xdaveyx - 09/16/2009 - 18:56

To #10 - Many mistake what they call true "discernment" for what is really a critical spirit rooted in fear. True Christlike discernment is rooted in love and perfect love casts out all fear. It is possible to be "fruit inspectors" (we will know them by their fruit)of someone's ministry without being critical and fearful that they are spreading falsehoods. The verse which states "Test the spirits to see whether they are of God", (I John 4:1), speaks of recognizing what is of Christ versus what is of the antichrist - those who deny His deity, His death, bodily resurrection, bodily ascension, etc. Before we jump to conclusions as to whether or not what Faytene teaches, preaches, etc. is "of God", we need to look at the fruit she and her ministry are producing. Is what she is proclaiming leading people to Jesus Christ or leading them astray? Is her teaching pointing to trusting in and looking to man and his ways, or to Jesus and His ways? Teaching that is of the antichrist spirit does not point people to our Resurrected Lord and Saviour. And as the Bible says, "the sons of God are led by the Spirit of God" - therefore we will also know "by the Spirit" whether what is being taught is of God or not. As the Body of Christ we need to be motivated by love in our discernment of one another's ministries, choosing to know them by their fruit as instructed by Jesus. Unfortunately many in the Body have left out the Holy Spirit in their "discerning" and have used the "letter of the law" as a means of criticism and judgment against one another. The Holy Spirit works with the Word in our discernment.
#11 LK - 09/19/2009 - 00:04

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